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Microsoft 'Security Essentials'
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Mike
2010-01-16 14:32:59 UTC
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A friend had a Trojan problem and wanted it sorted urgently. so he took it
to a local computer shop that he was happy with and had used in he past.
They wiped his hard drive and installed Microsoft 'Security Essentials' .
. he was surprised to say the least.

I would normally have installed free zone alarm and either avast or avg.

Is this Microsoft 'Security Essentials' any good?
Does it replace the above progs?
I have taken my eye off the IT game recently and so would be interested in
genuine answerers.
I am not interested in commercial software or wanting to start a flamewar
about free software and Micro$oft.
Nick Le Lievre
2010-01-16 14:36:39 UTC
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Post by Mike
A friend had a Trojan problem and wanted it sorted urgently. so he took it
to a local computer shop that he was happy with and had used in he past.
They wiped his hard drive and installed Microsoft 'Security Essentials'
. . he was surprised to say the least.
I would normally have installed free zone alarm and either avast or avg.
Question is could your mate have done the same thing for free?
Chris Whelan
2010-01-16 14:44:47 UTC
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On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:32:59 +0000, Mike wrote:

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Post by Mike
I would normally have installed free zone alarm and either avast or avg.
Is this Microsoft 'Security Essentials' any good?
Yes
Post by Mike
Does it replace the above progs?
Zone Alarm is a firewall; the inbuilt MS one is good enough for the
average user nowadays.

The AV element of Security Essentials has had some reasonable reviews,
and it doesn't impact on the performance of older machines as much as the
latest version of AVG does.

Malware other than viruses are today's biggest problems; an anti-virus
program on its own is no longer good enough. Security Essentials seems to
be effective against most threats IME. I've run it on a virtual XP
install since its release with no issues.
Post by Mike
I have taken my eye off the IT game recently and so would be interested
in genuine answerers.
I am not interested in commercial software or wanting to start a
flamewar about free software and Micro$oft.
At least MSE is free as in beer ;-)

Chris
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Chronos
2010-01-16 15:54:28 UTC
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Post by Mike
Is this Microsoft 'Security Essentials' any good?
Yes, it's excellent and has one feature most of the others don't: It never
expires leaving the user unprotected [1]. Detection rates are reportedly
good and it is very frugal with regards to system resources.
--
[1] IMHO, this contributes hugely to the propagation of malware on the 'net.
Chronos
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2010-01-16 18:07:21 UTC
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A friend had a Trojan problem and wanted it sorted urgently. so he took it to a local computer shop that he was happy with and had
used in he past. They wiped his hard drive and installed Microsoft 'Security Essentials' . . he was surprised to say the least.
The app is okay, but I'd be more angry that they wiped my drive of all data.
Rob Morley
2010-01-16 17:13:35 UTC
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On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:32:59 -0000
Post by Mike
A friend had a Trojan problem and wanted it sorted urgently. so he
took it to a local computer shop that he was happy with and had used
in he past. They wiped his hard drive and installed Microsoft
'Security Essentials' . . he was surprised to say the least.
Which just goes to show you have to be careful to specifically state
the sort of "fix" that you require when you say "can you fix this?"
Post by Mike
I would normally have installed free zone alarm and either avast or avg.
What about Ad-Aware and Spybot S&D?
Post by Mike
Is this Microsoft 'Security Essentials' any good?
It seems to be OK, my SO has it on her Vista laptop.
Carputers
2010-01-16 23:39:03 UTC
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Post by Rob Morley
What about Ad-Aware and Spybot S&D?
They used to both be great malware removal tools five years or so
ago. Both are about as effective as a knife in a gunfight now.
Rob Morley
2010-01-17 04:23:06 UTC
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On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:39:03 -0800 (PST)
Post by Carputers
Post by Rob Morley
What about Ad-Aware and Spybot S&D?
They used to both be great malware removal tools five years or so
ago. Both are about as effective as a knife in a gunfight now.
How time flies. I don't seem to have much of a malware problem these
days.
Chris Whelan
2010-01-17 09:21:43 UTC
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Post by Rob Morley
What about Ad-Aware and Spybot S&D?
They used to both be great malware removal tools five years or so ago.
Both are about as effective as a knife in a gunfight now.
They are both still effective malware *removal* tools; they were not
designed from the outset to be prevention tools, so inevitably are not so
good in that role.

Chris
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Adrian C
2010-01-17 14:14:19 UTC
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Post by Chris Whelan
Post by Rob Morley
What about Ad-Aware and Spybot S&D?
They used to both be great malware removal tools five years or so ago.
Both are about as effective as a knife in a gunfight now.
They are both still effective malware *removal* tools; they were not
designed from the outset to be prevention tools, so inevitably are not so
good in that role.
Here, Ad-Aware (paid) got junked ages ago.

FWIW I think Spybot is still useful in an prevention role, however
_only_ if involved in a high volume of deep web searching above brief
casual and social use of the internet.

For doing (several) browser immunisations and adding their hosts list
blocking is not much workload for me to do now and again, but I feel too
complicated for end users that unfortunately don't normally concern
themselves with geeky 'computer adminstration' tasks.

Now just hoping installing Microsoft Security Essentials (or AVG free)
and observance of doing continuous Windows Updates will suffice for 'end
users' around here as a security solution, except me.
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Adrian C
I'll Never Buy a Dell Again
2010-01-23 17:49:42 UTC
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Post by Rob Morley
It seems to be OK, my SO has it on her Vista laptop.
By your "SO", you mean your mother...
Rob Morley
2010-01-24 00:36:23 UTC
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On 23 Jan 2010 18:49:42 +0100
Post by I'll Never Buy a Dell Again
Post by Rob Morley
It seems to be OK, my SO has it on her Vista laptop.
By your "SO", you mean your mother...
No. But keep it up - your feeble efforts amuse me.
Conor
2010-01-16 18:41:39 UTC
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In article <***@eclipse.net.uk>, Mike
says...
Post by Mike
A friend had a Trojan problem and wanted it sorted urgently. so he took it
to a local computer shop that he was happy with and had used in he past.
They wiped his hard drive and installed Microsoft 'Security Essentials' .
. he was surprised to say the least.
I would normally have installed free zone alarm and either avast or avg.
Is this Microsoft 'Security Essentials' any good?
Tops the charts and sometimes scores higher than Eset. Certainly beats
AVG and Avast.
--
Conor
www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk

I'm not prejudiced. I hate everybody equally.
bcoombes
2010-01-16 19:44:35 UTC
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Post by Conor
says...
Post by Mike
A friend had a Trojan problem and wanted it sorted urgently. so he took it
to a local computer shop that he was happy with and had used in he past.
They wiped his hard drive and installed Microsoft 'Security Essentials' .
. he was surprised to say the least.
I would normally have installed free zone alarm and either avast or avg.
Is this Microsoft 'Security Essentials' any good?
Tops the charts and sometimes scores higher than Eset. Certainly beats
AVG and Avast.
Welcome back to the world of the sane.
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Bill Coombes
baynole2@yahoo.com
2010-01-16 20:16:17 UTC
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Post by Conor
Tops the charts and sometimes scores higher than Eset. Certainly beats
AVG and Avast.
I'd question that.
Conor
2010-01-16 21:46:33 UTC
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Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Conor
Tops the charts and sometimes scores higher than Eset. Certainly beats
AVG and Avast.
I'd question that.
Av-Comparitives, who did the testing, is a trusted source.
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Conor
www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk

I'm not prejudiced. I hate everybody equally.
baynole2@yahoo.com
2010-01-16 23:10:08 UTC
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Post by Conor
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Conor
Tops the charts and sometimes scores higher than Eset. Certainly beats
AVG and Avast.
I'd question that.
Av-Comparitives, who did the testing, is a trusted source.
--
Conorwww.notebooks-r-us.co.uk
I'm not prejudiced. I hate everybody equally.
I read their tests. Which aspect are you using, fastest scans?? false
positives??
Conor
2010-01-16 23:40:30 UTC
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In article <9dc6e131-effa-4a08-a8d7-65a8faca3203
@m16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>, ***@yahoo.com says...
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Conor
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Conor
Tops the charts and sometimes scores higher than Eset. Certainly beats
AVG and Avast.
I'd question that.
Av-Comparitives, who did the testing, is a trusted source.
--
Conorwww.notebooks-r-us.co.uk
I'm not prejudiced. I hate everybody equally.
I read their tests. Which aspect are you using, fastest scans?? false
positives??
Detection, removal.
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Conor
www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk

I'm not prejudiced. I hate everybody equally.
dick blisters
2010-01-17 03:06:36 UTC
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Post by Conor
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Conor
Tops the charts and sometimes scores higher than Eset. Certainly beats
AVG and Avast.
I'd question that.
Av-Comparitives, who did the testing, is a trusted source.
--
Conorwww.notebooks-r-us.co.uk
I'm not prejudiced. I hate everybody equally.
Mr either.
Smurf
2010-01-16 23:19:28 UTC
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Post by Conor
says...
Post by Mike
A friend had a Trojan problem and wanted it sorted urgently. so he
took it to a local computer shop that he was happy with and had used
in he past. They wiped his hard drive and installed Microsoft
'Security Essentials' . . he was surprised to say the least.
I would normally have installed free zone alarm and either avast or avg.
Is this Microsoft 'Security Essentials' any good?
Tops the charts and sometimes scores higher than Eset. Certainly beats
AVG and Avast.
Any experience on it being able to keep out pc security shield/av2009 type
variants?
Conor
2010-01-16 23:41:33 UTC
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Post by Smurf
Post by Conor
says...
Post by Mike
A friend had a Trojan problem and wanted it sorted urgently. so he
took it to a local computer shop that he was happy with and had used
in he past. They wiped his hard drive and installed Microsoft
'Security Essentials' . . he was surprised to say the least.
I would normally have installed free zone alarm and either avast or avg.
Is this Microsoft 'Security Essentials' any good?
Tops the charts and sometimes scores higher than Eset. Certainly beats
AVG and Avast.
Any experience on it being able to keep out pc security shield/av2009 type
variants?
No, I keep my system up to date and apply common sense so wouldn't be
likely to get hit by it in the first place. Might be worth knocking up a
VM to give it a go.
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Conor
www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk

I'm not prejudiced. I hate everybody equally.
Zombie Elvis
2010-01-19 03:48:53 UTC
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Post by Smurf
Post by Conor
Post by Mike
Is this Microsoft 'Security Essentials' any good?
Tops the charts and sometimes scores higher than Eset. Certainly beats
AVG and Avast.
Any experience on it being able to keep out pc security shield/av2009 type
variants?
In my experience these types of malware are more likely to be
installed by a gullible user who thinks that they are legitimate
security products. There is no AV product which can prevent a PEBKAC
attack.
--
Obama: Hey Ballmer, you mind if we borrow 90% of the world's computers for a quick cyber war?

Ballmer: Finally, the moment I've been waiting for! *Throws ceremonial war chair at wall*

- Seen on Slashdot

Roberto Castillo
***@ameritech.net
http://mind-grapes.blogspot.com/
http://zombie-gulch.myminicity.com/
Smurf
2010-01-16 23:15:08 UTC
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Post by Mike
A friend had a Trojan problem and wanted it sorted urgently. so he
took it to a local computer shop that he was happy with and had used
in he past. They wiped his hard drive and installed Microsoft
'Security Essentials' . . he was surprised to say the least.
I would normally have installed free zone alarm and either avast or avg.
Is this Microsoft 'Security Essentials' any good?
Does it replace the above progs?
I have taken my eye off the IT game recently and so would be
interested in genuine answerers.
I am not interested in commercial software or wanting to start a
flamewar about free software and Micro$oft.
Yes it is quite good, it does now and then do a windows defender (which is
incorporated into the product) like tantrum and eat all your cpu cycles at
random points, but it isnt the only product to do that. I am mightly
impressed by its extraordinarily fast installation, i am not sure if i am
imagining it, but it seems to work even better in windows 7.
s|b
2010-01-17 16:53:02 UTC
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Post by Mike
I would normally have installed free zone alarm and either avast or avg.
I think most people will agree if I say that (Free) ZA is bloatware and
that it is to be avoided. Several users in acf seem to be happy with
Comodo. A while ago, I replaced Sygate with Online Armor Free.
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s|b
AlleyCat
2010-01-17 21:53:57 UTC
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Post by s|b
Post by Mike
I would normally have installed free zone alarm and either avast or avg.
I think most people will agree if I say that (Free) ZA is bloatware and
that it is to be avoided. Several users in acf seem to be happy with
Comodo. A while ago, I replaced Sygate with Online Armor Free.
I too, am using Online Armor, Avira AV, Malwarebytes Anti-malware with
real time protection (free ;)
Zombie Elvis
2010-01-19 03:29:06 UTC
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On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:32:59 -0000, "Mike"
Post by Mike
A friend had a Trojan problem and wanted it sorted urgently. so he took it
to a local computer shop that he was happy with and had used in he past.
They wiped his hard drive and installed Microsoft 'Security Essentials' .
. he was surprised to say the least.
I would normally have installed free zone alarm and either avast or avg.
Is this Microsoft 'Security Essentials' any good?
Amazing but true; years of being the butt of security jokes has
actually made Microsoft a responsible netizen which actually takes
security seriously. Meanwhile, Mac fanboys just assume that their
machines are immune to all viruses just by virtue of being Macs. (I
actually resemble that remark since I don't run anti-virus software on
either of my two Mac Minis.)
Post by Mike
Does it replace the above progs?
Not entirely but Windows has had a pretty decent built-in firewall
since XP Service Pack 1 (which has been on by default since SP2).
Meanwhile, Zone Alarm has gotten more and more bloated and buggier
with every release. Avast and AVG also have their problems. Avast is
clunky and AVG can't seem to decide if their free product is a
self-contained AV product in its own right or a way to hook people
into buying the paid version. Both products are annoying enough that I
new prefer to just go with MSE when I build a new machine.
Post by Mike
I have taken my eye off the IT game recently and so would be interested in
genuine answerers.
I am not interested in commercial software or wanting to start a flamewar
about free software and Micro$oft.
Overall, MSE is a very good piece of software. This might change in
the future but right now Microsoft is doing a good job.
--
Obama: Hey Ballmer, you mind if we borrow 90% of the world's computers for a quick cyber war?

Ballmer: Finally, the moment I've been waiting for! *Throws ceremonial war chair at wall*

- Seen on Slashdot

Roberto Castillo
***@ameritech.net
http://mind-grapes.blogspot.com/
http://zombie-gulch.myminicity.com/
Fuzzy Logic
2010-01-19 21:47:02 UTC
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Post by Mike
A friend had a Trojan problem and wanted it sorted urgently. so he took
it to a local computer shop that he was happy with and had used in he
past. They wiped his hard drive and installed Microsoft 'Security
Essentials' . . he was surprised to say the least.
I would normally have installed free zone alarm and either avast or avg.
Is this Microsoft 'Security Essentials' any good?
Does it replace the above progs?
I have taken my eye off the IT game recently and so would be interested
in genuine answerers.
I am not interested in commercial software or wanting to start a
flamewar about free software and Micro$oft.
MSSE came out on top in a recent test of AV software (highest ranking of the free software):

http://lifehacker.com/5433229/microsoft-security-essentials-ranks-as-best+performing-free-antivirus

You may also find this interesting:

http://lifehacker.com/5401453/stop-paying-for-windows-security-microsofts-security-tools-are-good-enough
Bill Ghrist
2010-01-27 21:31:59 UTC
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Post by Mike
A friend had a Trojan problem and wanted it sorted urgently. so he took it
to a local computer shop that he was happy with and had used in he past.
They wiped his hard drive and installed Microsoft 'Security Essentials' .
. he was surprised to say the least.
I would normally have installed free zone alarm and either avast or avg.
Is this Microsoft 'Security Essentials' any good?
Does it replace the above progs?
I have taken my eye off the IT game recently and so would be interested in
genuine answerers.
I am not interested in commercial software or wanting to start a flamewar
about free software and Micro$oft.
I recently replaced Avg with Microsoft Essentials. A few observations
based on my short experience so far... I can't really comment on its
relative effectiveness regarding virus/malware detection and removal,
since I have rarely had any infections. So far MS Essentials has found
nothing.

There is one significant difference with regard to detection--MS
Essentials does not check for tracking cookies. If that is important to
you, then you must supplement it with another scan such as Ad-Aware or
SpyBot Search & Destroy (and/or AVG).

Avg has a few convenient features not present in MSE. In AVG you can
pause a scan in progress; in MSE the only option is to cancel. You can
tell AVG to shut off the computer at the end of a scan. That can be
convenient if you want to start a scan when you are done for the day,
but don't want to leave the compute turned on all night. AVG keeps a
log of all scans and their results. MSE keeps a log only of detected
items, so there doesn't seem to be any way to see if and when scans ran
unless they found something suspicious. AVG displays more detailed
information about updates.

I think that MSE uses less resources running in the background. On the
other hand, if you want to get a scan to run as quickly as possible, AVG
lets you raise its priority. Also, from what I could tell, AVG is
capable of using available multiple CPU cores, whereas MSE does not seem
to do that.

AVG has functions not available in MSE, e.g., email scanning and marking
browser search results as to safety.

FWIW, MSE has slightly less restrictive licensing, primarily in that it
permits use in a home-based business and for multiple home computers.
AVG forbids all commercial use.

Based on my experience and on testing reported by others, it seems to me
that MSE is good basic virus/malware protection, but with somewhat
limited user flexibility and without some of the supplemental functions
of other programs like AVG.

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